So I am going to come out and say that I am not a huge Tyler, The Creator fan. Last night I posted a status on facebook that read, “Tyler The Creator is weak. Start the hating.”, and hating it started. When I woke up this morning there were a total of 64 comments on that matter, and the status sparked a rather intellectual discussion about Tyler, the rest of OFWGKTA, and new wave of hip hop to begin with. I felt as though I needed to share it with you all, and feel free to add to this discussion.


      • Kasey Khama Wow. I’m surprised. A lot of the young people follow him blindly. Kudos on having your own opinion.

        23 hours ago ·
      • Brad Gilmore thank you kasey, what do you think of him?

        23 hours ago ·
      • Clayton EveryBeat Anderson i cant git down wit the whole OFWGKTA its just alotta random talks of killin people, random skits and just jackass type rap

        23 hours ago ·
      • Travis Madison not to mention all the jesus bashin

        23 hours ago ·
      • Kasey Khama

        He’s definitely an enigma….I think he has potential though. Yonkers as a full package (Video + Music) was one of the most amazing things I’ve seen all year, but stand alone (music only) it doesn’t do anything for me. Which is how I feel about the rest of their material. As an MC I’m not quite sure if he’s actually saying anything….Long story short, I haven’t completely dismissed him yet, I’m still waiting to see if their is anything past the Kill People Burn $h!t Fcuk School Gimmick.
        23 hours ago ·
      • Nicolas Salcedo he’s better than the dudes talkin same ol shit twice his age. his crew n him have pretty tight beats too. thats why i like him n OF. i think all they rap about is legit cuz lots of kids(me too) feel the same way. OFWGKTA bitches…

        23 hours ago ·
      • Brad Gilmore yeap check out this local houston cat Wes Blak he kills Tyler on Yonkers http://www.youtube.com/user/WesBlakTV#p/u/2/dKO_Db862A0

        23 hours ago ·
      • Kasey Khama Oh yeah I found out about that dude about a week ago. Wes Blak went in on him.

        23 hours ago ·
      • Robert Contreras Obviously you just look at the surface of his music. He’s not the best ill admit but hes not bad. Better than all that other trash out there like Wayne. Everyone has their own reasons to rap. Lyrics dont always have to be a factor. But his drive comes from everything in his life just like everyone else.

        23 hours ago ·
      • Clayton EveryBeat Anderson dam…@Brad he killt it, and @robert i agree, he is different from all other rap nowadays, but that doesnt mean people cant have opinions

        23 hours ago ·
      • Robert Contreras People popularize the stuff that doesnt mean anything. But he has more than what you hear people talking about. Bastard had some shit that wasnt just Kill people Burn Shit and Fuck School. Every OF member is their own person, but as a group they know how to have fun together. Everyones so serious, They just like to be a group of boys having fun

        23 hours ago ·
      • Nicolas Salcedo thats why i feel him. it gets real n personal. what music n art is about.

        23 hours ago ·
      • Brad Gilmore

        yo i was on the OFWGKTA train at first, but once you dive into the music you see its just a gimmick, Earl can spit, Tyler is just weak. I listened to GOBLIN yesterday and when yall hear it you will understand that being an MC means  you have to express ideals that people can relate too, telling Jesus to “stop his bitching” doesnt connect with people or with me at least. There is no substance to what his says, no weight behind it. Just empty flow.IMO.
        23 hours ago ·
      • Marc Anthony Benitez Fuck Steve Harvey

        23 hours ago ·
      • Nicolas Salcedo where can you hear earl????!!

        23 hours ago ·
      • Brad Gilmore Earl Sweatshirt?

        23 hours ago ·
      • Travis Madison i agree with robert on the whole wayne thing idl him either bt i mean yeah odd futures different bt thts where their props for me pretty much stop, their beats i like em, bt like brad said they arent about anything, except fuck everything, i agree w/ em Fuck School bt it seems they dont have a purpose for sayin tht. and u gotta have a purpose

        23 hours ago ·
      • Robert Contreras Earl is the shit, And Hodgy makes sick beats

        23 hours ago ·
      • Travis Madison n i heard some track w/ tyler n earl both, n i didnt like it much and the hook was extremely weak

        23 hours ago ·
      • Robert Contreras Orange Juice???? I love that song. MAy not have a message but its still fucking flows well together

        23 hours ago ·
      • Nicolas Salcedo ya brad i’ve only heard a couple from him. he ever put out anythin on his own. the rest of em did

        23 hours ago ·
      • Brad Gilmore yea he has a solo record called “Earl” i believe, haha.

        23 hours ago ·
      • Travis Madison yeah rob i think tht was the track

        23 hours ago ·
      • Marc Anthony Benitez

        I think that OFWGKTA’s style is pretty much their message. I mean when you focus on individual songs and quotes, it seems like meaningless lyrics, but you have to look at the big picture. Their whole philosophy is to go against the norm and to contrast structure. When you hear a lyric like ” I’m going harder than a midget going over me”, you have to stop and think, why the hell did he just say that? but it’s probably because Tyler and all of OF’s way of thinking is to stray away from traditional music. Look at the beats, the hooks, the lyrics, and the videos. They’re all different from what you’re used to. And their attack on religion and anything else that represents structure goes against their way of thinking, so they bash it. The purpose of their music is pretty much to form an anti-traditional way of thinking, and they do it by going against anything traditional, whether its contreversial or not.
        22 hours ago ·
      • Nicolas Salcedo cool thanks. Tyler is good tho gotta give him props it aint that easy cuz no esle has done it yet. w/e FREE EARL! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiiqqBw47HU (link is for assmilk: tyler & earl)

        22 hours ago ·
      • Eric Dean ‎Wes Blak is dope

        22 hours ago ·
      • Cristina Marie Coy ‎”They want us to go to these schools and be fucking miserable at their fucking college fuck that. Do what fucking makes you happy because at the end, who’s there? You.” -tyler. ♥

        22 hours ago ·
      • Brad Gilmore Eric you are correct!!
      • Brad Gilmore But @Marc are they just being anti-traditional just for the sake of being anti-taditional? Is it a philosophy or is it a way for them to shock people into saying “wow these guys are different, lemme hop on their bandwagon like everyone else”

        22 hours ago ·
      • Cristina Marie Coy Don’t hop on the bandwagon then. No one is forcing anyone to like them.

        22 hours ago ·
      • Travis Madison so marc whtchu sayin is if they dont like it they shoot it down,which means tht thts wht i should do right, idl it i should shut it out, without lettin myself hear it out

        22 hours ago
      • Brad Gilmore ‎@Cristina Im not saying that im being forced, but to me people are hopping on Tyler like they hopped on the ’07 Wayne, yeh theres a buzz, does he have a little skill, yeh, at the end of the say does it mean something, idk yet, but as far as im concerned i havent heard a tyler song where i went “damn this guy can rap”

        22 hours ago ·
      • Marc Anthony Benitez well thats your call. maybe they do want attention, maybe they don’t. I mean the fact that they haven’t signed a deal says something. And travis, if you don’t like them then by all means shoot it down. I’m just trying to say that all art isn’t conveyed through the same medium. Just looking at their lyrics would be like just looking at colors of a painting. You can go a lot more in depth with the meaning

        22 hours ago ·
      • Nicolas Salcedo dude every artist has their “bandwagon” thats how you make it. if ur an individual that follows only cuz u think its what in and hip and ur friends thinks its cool then u are one whack mofo. n dude that was waynes year. its music why the fuck should it matter if it means something every line. come on dude. over hatin i think

        22 hours ago ·
      • Marc Anthony Benitez brad: 1 OFWGKTA: 0

        22 hours ago ·
      • Travis Madison but ur lyrics have to have meaning to look at

        22 hours ago ·
      • Aidan Kennedy I don’t see the legitimacy in arguing about the lyrics meaningfulness, because the lyrics mean something different to every set of ears… Check this interview with Tyler, I’m aware that some bits may make him seem slightly conceited, but regardless, it’s definitely respectable.

        22 hours ago ·
      • Aidan Kennedy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OoZNENl0Cg

        22 hours ago ·
      • Travis Madison respectable indeed, but tht mothafucka cant add, maybe he shouldve stayed school long enough to knw 18+3=21 hahaha

        22 hours ago ·
      • Aidan Kennedy I hope that that isn’t all that you took away from the video

        22 hours ago ·
      • Travis Madison hahaha nah its jus the last thing tht i took away from it

        22 hours ago ·
      • Kyle Hubbard

        Tyler the Creator has strokes of genius, but none of them are concerning his music. He is a shock value rapper, which has existed and will continue to exist in hip-hop music. He is not breaking any ground musically…I mean be for real, let. see how this album holds up in ten years. Though I will say this…”Yonkers” is the coolest vid I’ve seen like ever, that is genius (I am the under the impression he was the creative force behind that, correct me if I’m wrong)…so I say that to say this…the music he makes now is boring and uninspired BUT the kid is smart enough, and creative enough to flesh into a truly great artist, he is like 20 correct?
        21 hours ago ·
      • Kasey Khama Yep he is 20. I have to say again, Yonkers blew me away, the execution of the entire video his performance vocally and physically was just flawless…and again as a song itself it just doesn’t hold up for me.

        21 hours ago ·
      • Kyle Hubbard

        yeah dude I just don’t feel like he saying anything. And don’t get me wrong the first time I head that song and I heard “I’m a fucking walking paradox” I was like oh shit something awesome is about happen…and awesome it was not. I feel heis letting his brand dictate his art at this point in his career, and he is a little to invested in the notion he has to say outlandish ass shit…..also for the record no hate on Tyler, I think his whole rising to stardom despite the blogs is fucking awesome and I think the fact is he so successful is a great thing.
        21 hours ago ·
      • Joshua McCann Can’t argue the shock value is his bread and butter. But there is an art to the way he goes about it. Like songs such as Yonkers. That is a cleverly crafted song. But he says if all you can take from the songs is the shock than you obviously aren’t paying attention to the lyrics

        21 hours ago ·
      • Marx De Lux

        I disagree. although i dont agree with all his lyrics, its the genius of how his songs are composed that sets him apart.Also Hip hop/rap is JUST about lyrics as brad put it. its about delivery, creative direction, and overall feel of the so…See More
        21 hours ago ·
      • Kyle Hubbard For sure I can def. agree Tyler has a lot of those components down perfect. I like his voice and delivery, also I enjoy the majority of his production, I just wish he was saying more. That’s just my two cents…people obviously like his shit and I’m with that all the way. Like I said, I’m not crazy about him now but I can see him fleshing into something that I’ll really dig down the line.

        21 hours ago ·
      • Joshua McCann- Listen to Yonkers closely he says he is a walking paradox. The whole song he contradicts his previous lines. The goblin album is basically the concept of him talkin to a therapist “goblin” which is where the shock comes from, but underneath it all there is Tyler who actually spits relatable content, no father around, fear of the growing up and facing the real world, missing out on college to follow his dreams etc I

        21 hours ago ·
      • Joshua McCann – Can relate

        21 hours ago ·
      • Brad Gilmore

        Im gonna have to go with Kyle on this one. I can actually see him possibly becoming something when he gets past the whole shock rap think and really gets down to the rudimentary hip hop. And yo Lux I know that it is more than just lyrics thhat make you an artists, but when you take to down to the basis of what an MC is, it’s all about what you say, therefore, the lyrics. Artistically the Yonkers video is ridiculous, I was really impressed. But as far as his LYRICISM, It’s not there for me. Im not saying he needs to drop a “dope ass line” every other bar, and I sure as hell am not saying he needs to be a punchline rapper either. I’m saying when everything else is taken away, the videos, the album covers, the OFWGKTA gimmick, and it’s just you and a beat in a cypher, what do you bring? And I don’t feel as though Tyler would just blow me away with his lyricism. IMO
        14 hours ago ·
      • Jon Black- Just sounds like some old Eminem, NEcro, MF Doom Hybrid. That whole style has a whole generation of Mc’s that did it before. I think Tyler is really good tho especially live, he’s just young. To me, he talks about his Dad and shit and therapy and Jesus and it sounds like Eminem, he just switched his Daddy Issues for Em’s Mommy issues.

        13 hours ago ·
      • Marx De Lux- its not the 90’s anymore man. genres are starting to fade into other genres. different song formats are being created. if you break down what he says in the songs youll get the message. cant judge it by the top layer. music is deeper than that.

        8 hours ago ·

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